Hi, Rico, Kuroneko, CL and all nice admins,
I am 李漆, one of the chairman of a HSP new clan - 漆友 (http://steamcommunity.com/groups/7s-), this is writing for inviting u guyz to enjoy 9v9 friendly match wiv us =] Hoping we can hv an opportunity to enjoy a nice game wiv u guyz.

As we would like to improve ourselves like team working from a friendly match and also the more importation is to try to learn from all of u pros =]

The detail of match proposal is stated below:
Map: 1st - Choosen by Home team, 2nd - Choosen by Visitor team, 3rd - Random
Rounds to win: CP - 3, KOTH - 4
Maps to win: 2
Time limit of the map:) 30 minutes. (wiv extra time till the time of stopswitch at the middle top of the screen is ran out If both sides could not reach required rounds to win, higher team scores side will win the map
Halftime:) 15 minutes (wiv extra time till the time of stopswitch at the middle top of the screen is ran out and after 2rounds for CP and 3rounds for KOTH
Participants:) 18, 9v9 (Total maximum 28 wiv the registered reserve players
Reserve players: Maximum 5 players
Rules:) UCG Highlander rules (Weapon ban: Enforcer, Machina, Cow Mangler, Unusual hats, set hats, reserve shooter
Weapon restriction: Enforcer, Machina, Cow Mangler, Unusual hats, set hats, reserve shooter
Spectators: Disallow execpt the referees
Replays: Confirmed it will recorded by HSP
Date & Time: TBC, weekend afternoon or night
Venue: Confirmed the venues will provided by HSP
Squad registration: Both teams should submit the registration of their squads before 2 days of the match
Substitution rules:) Allow changing maximum 2 registrated players between round by round also the halftime, No substitution allowed during the progressing round excepts someone disconnect. (The game will be paused for maximum total 5minutes in a map, the reserve players can fill in anytime in this situation. A substitution quotas of next round will be used if a players fill in. Referee will decide the disconnect substitution is eihter abused or not and opposite side hv right to complain during the game. No one can fill in the progressing round when referee decides the disconnect substitution is abused.


This is my first time to purpose a friendly match for TF2, if u guyz found any information is missing, plz dun hesitate to point it out =]

We are highly looking forward to hv a memorable experience wiv u guyz =]

Can Li7 and your team please propose a time and map for the match as soon as possible?

HSP team's suggestion: 23/10/2011 14:00 (GMT+8 Hong Kong Time)
map: cp_gravelpit

why are all weapons allowed? We all know that some weapons are pretty much gamebreaking including polycount sets and the new weapons that were introduced. If you want a friendly game with no weapons why don't you just play in the 9v9 highlander server instead, I mean no offense but thats as friendly as it gets, nobody would feel overpowered, or gimped at that matter and above all nobody would complain about the usages of weapons because one, its a pub and 2 they don't care about balance or whatnot. How about we play with ESEA Season 10 rules instead with the weapon restrictions and rules. Its like what, 20 banned weapons and the set hats that are banned? That way nobody would complain about the weapons and instead complain about skill, thats fair and balanced and not to mention fun as well.

http://www.ugcleague.com/rules_tf2h_season2.cfm

http://esea.net/index.php?s=content&d=league_rules_tf2

Set bans are the same, but there are more to the esea banned list.

Yeh..The hl.exe is often crashed recently..



Shall we say 30/10/2011 21:00 (GMT+8 Hong Kong Time)
As around 4 members are not available on 23/10. =[


Oh yeah, u right =] that's y i hv suggested in perious post that we could try to disallow using formal banned weapon in further friendly match.

I understand wt u'd like to point out, but I'd like to remarked that the reason of this time using an informal rules is to let most of noobs, like me to feel the match atmosphere first, and then we can try to use the formal rules in future. Moreover, at least we hv to feel how it is unfair when using banned weapon. I hv to point out that god know those organizations are 100% right without we test in persons? HSP can hv choices to make its own rule in future. Btw, the set hats are banned by Kuroneko suggested be4, both sides are accepted.

I admire u guyz so much, as u all are really really pro, and got rich of experience, thus I'd like to beg u if u could look at our squad list, all of us are juz the rookies. May we hv ur patient to introduce us step by step? =] Btw, I could promise that I would not use the banned weapon :P

I thought the ESEA
http://esea.net/index.php?s=content&d=league_rules_tf2 rules is for 6v6 and not 9v9?

All in all, highlander plays differently than 6v6 and so as the impact of certain weapons. I would say they ban certain weapons only because of bugs (like machina, reserve shooter and detonator) rather than being unbalanced. But I do think that Enforcer or Reserve Shooter should be banned for other reasons.

Some said the wrangler is OP but I have yet to master it, so can't comment.

Imho some weapons are not banned in 9v9 is becoz there will always be a counter class or other role for the class to serve.
For example, Natacsha is banned in 6v6 as it ruins the whole flow of gameplay, you can take away all of their 5 fast classes agility. But in highlander, there is always another enemy heavy to duel with, so using Natty will put you at the lower hand when fighting face on. It may still against the term competitive, but not so game breaking in terms of team play.
But of coz, enforcer 2 shots light classes with no downside, free min crit with reserved shooter especially pyro, machina fully charged body shot 175 hp classes, sandman and cow mangler spam may consider as quite noob and game breaking imo.

After reading Kuma's and Kuro's posts I've come to an understanding that ESEA rules do not apply to highlander 9v9 and how there is a class on each team (srsly). But honestly @Kuma if the heavy on your team is down who the fuck is going to kill the other team's heavy? Think about it, every class is going to be at a serious disadvantage no matter what. @ li7, lets just ban the GRU's and thats it, use anything you want except for set hats, and sandman. A slow class should ALWAYS be a slow class otherwise I want valve to release a melee weapon that would speed up the solly's walking speed by 40% with full health.

perhaps tomislav without the -50 hp nerf too?

and wrangler sucks imo, pistol is better ;3 (unless with lvl3 rocket spamming with twin barrels monster )